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TheNewCollective
Fri Mar 28, 2003, 04:05 PM
Hypothesis and the Manifesto for the new age...
An argument for painless extinction of the human race, and why 911 wasn’t such a tradgedy.


When looking at Existence, one should examine what holds Existence together, whether it be life-death cycles, time/space, or other forms of non-spacial/non-temporal “being’. I propose that all of these states of existence are held together by pure thought.
The universe must be held together by thought, and thought alone. The fact that there is something (time space universe or even if its all a dream, its still a dream) as opposed to nothing at all, seems to necessitate some sort of proof of a god-like figure. Not some old man in the sky whos sending golden sperm into virgins and taking legs away from serpents, not someone who really cares if there is global socio-political anarchy, life or death, or whether ross and rachel will ever be happy on friends. Rather, this “god” is just an all powerfull Awareness. Why then would this Awareness create life with the soul purpose of it dying and going through some temporal process without meaning? It is possible that there might be some greater purpose in that possibility, but there is much evidence that awareness doesn’t end when a beings heart stops beating. The thought that the universe is not of intelligent design is an ignorant statement, for what could hold the fabric of time space, let alone anything beyond that, but thought? Magnificently, the Jews and Christians seemed to have some valid points in their narccissistic scriptures. “God created man in his image”. This, if my theorys on ‘God’ are correct, means that we are able to create the way god does. A perfect example is the computer game “The Sims”, where the player acts as a God, controlling the lives of the simulated people. Some people will say elephants paint. When what they paint resembless a tree, call me. When the draw a circle in the sand with their nose, drop me a line. Till then, I and hopefully you, will retain the belief that humans, and possibly life forms above we are yet to encounter, are the only beings on earth/in this dimension, that Create. Where does the creative process occur? Certainly not in our feel when we dance or our hands when we paint or our ears when we play music, but rather, it all has origins in our minds and souls. In that sense, we can recreate the entire universe in out minds. Literature, such as the novel “Hannibal” shows examples of such a possibility. Let me offer you a short exercise which has a beginning to it that has nearly driven me to the brink of insanity on many an occasion. Imagine nothing. You would think instantly of one of two things: a white void or a black void. There is a problem there. Nothing. No black. No white. No color. No crystal clear. Nothing. Try to find what nothing looks like, and when you discover it, call the nobel commity, because you deserve a prize. Ignoring this challenging part of the exercies, imagine the universe as we know it. Stars, light time, from the big bang, on to modern day, situate yourself somewhere in the universe, and imagine where life is spurting and where there are cultures and where there are bacteria and where there are advanced civilaziations, and then go visit earth, and, while keeping all the other stars and galaxies and planets aligned and moving, watch yourself, or a continent, or a forest turn into a city. Now, it is safe to say that this universe “exists” in your mind. Descartes spoke of how everyone and everything could be A:the work of some trickster demon, or B:All in his mind. I believe it was George who, in Yellow Submarine, concurred with the rather simle yet boldd statement “It’s all in the mind”. Well, descartes was close but off. He spoke of a philisophic god, beying a collection of perfect knowledge, yet he, for whatever reason, failed to take it a step farther as to some god-like-being existing as perfection. Descartes also failed to see that He might just be a figment of an Omni-awareness’ sustained imagination. True, you can not remember every planet and star and bit of information you had five minutes ago, let alone sustain the image untill the end of time, whatever that might be, but you can imitate the general effect, to see how, for an OMNI-awarness, this is all quite possible. Not exactly a weak argument that we are all just a stream of thought in a god-beings mind. Now, if the stream of "thought" in one sense or another, were to stop, existence would cease. The kabalistic Jews have a belief that god exists in everything, and that if their God were to stop existing in say, a chair, than that chair would not only cease to exist, but it never would have existed. Since it never was, rather, all the time that the chair inhabited would be altered....in some sense. however, with this larger than comprehensible consciousness, we assume some sort of omni-presence, or to take that a step farther, omni-awareness.....To be aware of everything that was and is. Therefore its not likely the chair or a person or dimension will every really be forgotten/cease to exist... Although all of this might be beyond our ability to technologically prove, this does not mean we may not speculate as we get closer to the truth, as it were. To continue, the thoughts acting as glue would be the "thought / thoughts of a god-like consciousness. Assume that existence as the world knows it is a part of that Awareness rather than a result/creation from it. Hegel spoke of our existence having the purpose of being a means for god to get to know itself. To Define god, let us say that it is, at the least, an awareness. To now narrow the field of possibilities of motivation, let us say that this omni-awareness in the first form of awareness, and that this awareness was the first form of existence. Working from this sort of platform , it is possible that for The Awareness to get to know itself, it needed/needs a venue for which to go on a " spiritual journey". Some of us reflect this, going on spirit quests or internal monologues, or through some means, whatever that may be. For the Awareness, it's internal journey is what we know as time/space/dimensional existence. We and the universe are all really just a sustained thought. To go to an even narrower field of potential purpose/cycle, presume that following the emergence of the first awareness came two forms of infinite ‘energy’ or being: Chaos/Raw and Perfection. Through these two energies, and the cycle of converting Chaos/Raw to Perfection, the Awareness gets to know itself. The cycle occurs in the thoughts/spiritual journey that we know as existence/time-space and the events that happen herein, and possibly beyond. Our existence is one of the factors in the Awareness’ spiritual journey. To summarize: The Awareness is constantly growing and becoming aware of itself by playing out existence as we know it in its awareness, in the process converting Chaos into Perfection. The conversion results in amassing knowledge/awareness of itself, although since both energies are infinite, the cycle never has to, and likely never will end. This is, at the least, life as we know it. To clarify the first Awareness getting to know itself, and our relevance as existing therein, think of Hindu belief systems. Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahman, make up a “holy trinity” of India, and they are three ‘personalities’ if you will, of the greater one. Now below those personalities, are hundreds of thousands of other gods...but none are really gods, they are all rather characteristics/manifestations of the one true God. Well, in that sense, we are those characteristics, those lesser god incarnations / personalities, in that we all depend on each others existence and growth to exist as the one god. Why do we not know this from the beginning? Well, it is part of the journey to get to know ourselves as the collective self. The One. The original/first Awareness, which really is the only awareness. We go from getting to know ourselves to perfecting ourselves to returning to the greater self which we are all a part of. This stands for this dimension or any other.

Some would argue that individual awareness that we all have disproves the above theory that we are all in a sense one. That by our independent awareness not sensing a connection to a greater awareness, that we exist beyond the first awareness. Tertullian argued that Reincarnation is impossible since there is an obvious increase in population, there by proposing that souls could run out. This too seems to be a weak manner of thought. We exist in what may or may not be a limited universe, but the existing levels of whatever may be beyond, who’s to say there is a limit. Einstein talked of a set amount of energy, that in some way is limited (matter <and energy?> can not be created or destroyed. This sort of sets things up that there in some way is a limited amount of energy... Why would the larger consciousness be limited? Can you imagine infinity? Or even better, can you imagine a number so high you can NOT in some way find a way to represent it? Where there is a will there is a way. Assume there is an unlimited amount of energy in the Chaos and Perfection sense. So, the Souls coming from the chaos will never end, and are infinite, some just aren’t in bodies or are existing in other dimensional forms or inhibiting trees. Perhaps when not occupied as "living" beings, the souls are what hold together the fabric of time/space as we know as a function of the greater larger SOUL/Counciousness/Godfigure.

For the Raw/chaotic energy to be converted, a process/cycle must occur. This process is what we call our lives. Many belief systems may be inserted here. Reincarnation, Good souls/Bad souls, The good conquering the evil. Whatever it is called, there is a constant theme of improvement and positive generation. It seems that a ‘soul’ is in the process of becoming perfect ‘energy’ from chaotic/raw. This occurs by the process of living. Now to assume one achieves perfection in one ‘lifetime’ seems rather hasty. Many people die with regrets. Now while these may be mortal issues and seemingly meaningless in a postmortem existence, it seems to leave a lack of perfection.
Then again, this is where the argument for a willing global suicide committed by the human race shall begin.

We are all wasting each others time. Life is suffering, And to live is to love, hence, love is suffering...what a not-so wondeful circle...so what is the cure? I propose a massive extinction of the human race. One high level atom bomb, or maybe a series of explosions, or perhaps, poisonous gas administered at “deqth centers” to people while they are asleep, so they dont know that they are dying and they wont suffer...See the Nazis were cruel. They hooked the gas up to the showers as oppossed to bunkers where the jews couldve at least dies without suffering, but then again, the nazis thought the jews were dogs. You know the difference between men and dogs? Dogs dont know that they are suffering. Too bad no one told the nazis, cause im pretty sure that 14.5 million people knew they were suffering..anyhow, some PAINLESS and VIOLENCE FREE form of suicide should be implemmented world wide, because relly, it would end suffering, and show an act of enlightenment. Rally, if god is an old man, and this were to occur, well then you all 9the world) would just be victims of my brainwashing, and i’d be in a whole lot of trouble. But i’m willing to take that risk. Why? Well, james reidfeild, whom is one of the founders of the Newest and fast growing N.ew Age movment, wrote in his book the celistine prophecy, a fictional account of something that might actually occur (according to him). He spoke of people attaining such high ‘vibrations’ associated with their levels of conciousness, that they transended this life physically and mentally, seemingly dissapearing from this plane of existance. Yeah thats a nice fairy tail, and I’d like to have “bamf”-ing powers like the X-men’s Nightcrawler. Realisticly, it may be true in our imaginations, but in this world / plane of existance, it isnt going to happen. So how do we trancsend suffring? We kill off all forms of life, and thereby prevent reincarnation in such a measly nd violent realm of existance, allowing our soul population to trancsend iall the suffering. Naturally, We’d killourselves off first. This can be done by developing a roboticly operated place of passing called the enlightenment center. At the center, one who is enlightened, would go there to die. It would be a fully automated system, where a person is given nitrous untill the happilly pass out, followed by a lethal injenction that is pain and suffering free, this would be discovered by people who would willingly volunteer their time and risk ending their lives painfully, by taking the injections in a more awake state, and reporting the effects “We know you cant breath, but does your head hurt and do your lungs feel like they are going to burst, or do you feel awake while your body is not moving a muscle? Nod yes or no.”. Once the proper chemical coctail is worked out, we inject it into the subject, whom, after all vital signs are gone, most notably brain activity, the bed they are laying on folds under and drops them into an incineration pit. Following this, is a computerized voice with the words “next please”, inviting someone else into the enlightenment. Once the majority of the population has willingly gone, the bomb will be set off by the pain tolerating few who remain. This will not be a typicall atom bomb, rather, a radioactive bomb in combonation with a neutron bomb, linked up to all possible bombs that ever were and will be, not just ensuring a scorched earth, but one that not only admits radiation but probbably has chunks of itself flying off into space as a result from the huge and massive destructive power this nuclear network will have. It’s not a holocaust, since everyone is going willingly, and as stated earlier, dogs dont know they are suffering. So why would a cat, or a dolphin, or a girraffe or a platapus for that matter. Hopefully, this blast will kill all the cocoroaches, becasue honestly those fuckers are really hard to kill, and we could imagine them breeding so fast that they could find a way to live in the vaccume of space. If this becomes the case, and the human population reincarnates into a bunch of flying space-roaches, then at least they wot ahve a concept of love, or war. Evil is emotion, good is perfection. Of course Utopia has no individuality, it’s a collective oneness of perfection.

9-11 was a shocking event, in that someone helped to enlighten a bunch of unwilling test subjects in a verry dramatic manner. It was a little insane and criminal, but when you look at it as “Hey, they don’t have to pay taxes anymore or live in a city where the guy mugging you can be your next door neighbor and they’d never know it, or have to love or ahte or experience the suffering of life.”, then suddenly all those people hgave basically gotten off real easy. The ones who really suffer? Those left to remember the act of hate. Thats what it was. Hate. Uniquly human. Dogs dont hate, people hate. Achem’s razor proposes that the best solution tends to be the simplist and most obvious one. What is the most obvious solution to suffering? Preventative measures. What preventative measure is the most effecient and permanant? Global suicide. How can hate exist when theres nothing around to hate or be hated? Sure there might be other worlds out there where we can reincarnte and so on and so forth, nd they might be just as bad or worse than the place we live now, but if we’re reincarnating, the knowledge presented here will show up there. Then all thats left is for total annhialation of all forms of life in the universe. A systematic extermination of pain and suffering. There in lies true enlightenment.

Now comes the argument of “What about getting to know ourselves? Wasn’t the whole point of life for this original omni-awareness to get to know itself?” Well, To think temporal/spacial existance is the only means there is, is to ignore many dimensions that exist, some proven others speculated. We can only speculate and hope that these zones of existance are pain and suffering free, and more prone to intellectual/spiritual discovery. Peace gets boring. War is terrible. Perfection, however, simply IS. Not good or bad. Just PERFECT. This is what we should strive to ammass. Not perfection of a race or gender or ways of life, but rather, simple perfect energy. We should strive to become spherical. Symmetricly perfect. True, it could be said that it is against the point to destroy all life in a medium that was formed for the Original Awarness to get to know itself, but then again WE are that awareness. We constantly forget that We are the universe. We are the ‘God’. SO if we decide to do something, it is God deciding to do it. Therefore, by watching the earth choose choose total biological extinction, God chooses Total Biological Extinction. And its happened before. Look at the dinsaurs, and how they were destroyed by a comet’s arrival. Why should we not expect an even larger one arriving for us? Perhaps, we’d just be speeding up the delivery. Wouldn’t it truly be cosmic awareness when we all realize that we are god, and then kill off the body so the soul may be free to suffer no longer? That is enlightenment. That is how we will free ourselves from this mortal suffering. We are meant to die. This is why we have been made Mortal. To choose out own deaths is to take destiny by the hand, and thus truly empowering ourselves, by controlling the one thing that is supposed to happen to us. By letting it be out of our control, we cease to grow as souls. Growth as individuals is not so much highly overated as it is simply a distraction from the GREATER GROWTH. True, this is a venue for god to get to know himself/herself, but is it not then OUR VENUE? Do we need to suffer to grow as individuals and the one? Well, there is all this infinite energy, and something has to be done with it, so why not let some of it suffer? Is suffering better than nothing. No!Iinfact, nothing is better than suffering. Unluss the Original Awarness also happens to be a Sadist.

More to come...

ShadyJunglist
Fri Mar 28, 2003, 05:12 PM
I didnt have 2 hours to read all that, so Ill just reply to the title of this post...

Mike, I agree. We should all commit suicide. SO, why dont you be the first, and we'll all join you when you've died. Deal? =D

ames
Fri Mar 28, 2003, 05:39 PM
i didnt read it either. i just feel compelled to tell you that title bothered me because an old aqaintance of mine committed suicide last week. booooooooooooo to you mike

TheNewCollective
Fri Mar 28, 2003, 06:53 PM
take the time to read it then....you might realize your old aquantance got off easy

-YOU KNOW WHO

tenno
Sat Mar 29, 2003, 01:58 PM
unfortunately i dont have time to read all this thanks to the antichrist (randy fry), however the mere fact that is says HYPOTHESIS as opposed to FACT would mean we 'd be wasting human lives for my organ donor program.

Mike, you're a terrible Christian lol

TheNewCollective
Sun Mar 30, 2003, 07:25 AM
jer: Im just seeking truth....
I thought christianity was the answer while i spent an unemployed summer reading the LEFT BEHIND series....
Then i went to school, and discovered philosophy...It didnt happen the first semester, but rather, in between.
i hope im not a nihlist.....
niche' said god is dead
i say he just doesnt care.....
look copy past the text, print it out, brew a cup of coffee / pick up a pack of smokes / do whatever it takes to get you people to read something, and really really read it and take it in.

Because honestly, you all say im crazy, and maybe i am,
But ive really scared myself here
because i see no way to prove it wrong
and many ways to prove it right,

and if you dont want to help proove it right/ wrong, read it to make mean comments about me later, just so long as you read it....its written to be read

-you know who

tenno
Sun Mar 30, 2003, 11:25 PM
ahh you've foisted yet another new line a thought, from super jew to extremist hippiest to uber christian and now the last forefront of the modern angst ridden youth: isolation amidst the works of those who would rather pry the lid on the common bannachalia of mind, as opposed to sitting in a field, thinking of nothing.

TheNewCollective
Mon Mar 31, 2003, 02:16 PM
A) Never a super jew
b) hippie never gpt results
c)christianity serves a purpose for good people, you just can't be a great philosopher and a good christian
d)read the damn thing...im not , angry with the world, Rather, I've come to terms with it.

-you know who

TNess
Mon Mar 31, 2003, 06:28 PM
suicide is a unforgivible sin, kill yourself and go to hell!

tenno
Mon Mar 31, 2003, 10:20 PM
=\ i only read sunshiney things

TheNewCollective
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 01:12 AM
Truth is as sunshiney as they come

Slacker
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 08:17 AM
Fuck that! That shit is waay too long.

tenno
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 11:50 AM
i love yah mike but you've been reading too many sci fi novels of the humanis poersistance realm. For the love of all things round, please stick to Roald Dahl.

tenno
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 12:19 PM
i read halfway through it, but aside from the fact that the sheer lack of proper paragraphs made any clear ideas corrupted in a sea of runons, the lines about dogs dont suffer struck as me particularly assinine.

See, dogs cry in pain, pain is suffering, and whether the result of a lower soul or merely hardwired nerves that tell the brain "i am hurting, make sound", it still means that animal suffer.

But you'll ifnore this in your usual I AM RIGHT FEAR ME FOR I AM OZYMANDIAS!!! And two months down the line you're gonna hvae a change of heart and take a pottery class and talk about the soul in the clay.

Mike for the love of Vishnu, take some Somas, drink some beer and please please please do me a favor and burn down all cafes.

ames
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 01:48 PM
roald dahl was this shit! i loved the twits, the witches, and there was one other story about some kid and some magic medicine? yeah i think that's it. great stuff.

Slacker
Tue Apr 1, 2003, 04:33 PM
I like magic medicine.

tenno
Wed Apr 2, 2003, 11:41 AM
Let me also add this: Your inclusion of wisodm from the Beatles fo all things. from a cartoon of all things, a cartoon featuring the Beatles on the drug trip of ALL drug trips kinda cheapens your staments, that and the fact that aside from the reoccuring theme of suicide (and I frankly believe that you would beg on your knees for life if somone put a gun to your head ) you go off on so many tangents that your original argument lacks steam.

I might as well draw religious stamina from the rats of Nimh, since they all huddle in the protection of the rose bush, so in my mind the bush is God, the machinery is the Devil and Jesus is the old rat who gets wasted 'saving' them. It's not that the imagery is bad, it's just tainted by the collective (hah) belief that cartoons are silly and childish.

Like a tantrum.

So maybe you should restructure your theory without using fiction. Plus if you're going to use Zen teachings, you better use them all. Yes, Zen does state that life is suffering blah blah blah, but it also teaches the appreciation of the small things and the insignificant. Yadda yadda yadda.

But for your sake let me break down the extinction of the human race for all beliefs:

Believers in a Higher Power: Set on a course of self genocide, any higher power would naturally stop the human race from it's path of destruction, moreover as is shown in any faith, the higher power wuld in fact protect its own from the machinations of selfish stupidity in it's act of Hitler like sadism. And if you don't believe your ideas are similar to his, than you don't understand that cheating the unborn if their right to live isn't cruelty.

So humanity lives.


Atheists Perfect their Doom: The mass suicide (most of it forced on the unwary as it would have to be aka murder) is successful, the remants of humanity collapse under their own machinations and humanity dies. A millenias millenia passes and since in a world with no God their is proof of spantaneous evolution from a single celled state, some animal, some virus, some plant evolves to a point where it develops awareness of itself and others, so the destruction of humaity solves no purpose, another race climbs the hill of intelligence (probably dolphins the devils) and the whole thing starts anew. Humanity dies but suffering starts all over again.


Spiritual reincarnation / Pagan beliefs: Humanity dies. And is reincarnated. Whoops. Here we are again.


Death Star effect: Earth is potentially blown to shreds, this would have to be a differing circumstance, if theres a God, then the Earht will never suffer enough to truly wipe humanity out. If there isnt one, well then so long and thanks for all the fish (hah!). But since n=energy can't be destroyed, most likely the death of Earth would eventually result in life starting elsewhere. Blah blah blah.


And so on...

My point is, global suicide is a silly thing.

TheNewCollective
Wed Apr 2, 2003, 11:47 PM
for the record, my reading list included Aquinas, Tertullian, Descartes, Hegel, William James, and yeah a collection of philosophy proffessors working on thesis papers about the matrix, which in reality is just regurgitated Descartes and Plato, NOT SciFi, if anything, its SciPhi.

About my everyone should kill themselves,
1)it wouldnt be murder, since they would be illing THEMSELVES
2)dogs might experience pain and suffer, but they dont have concepts, HENCE/ERGO THEY DO NOT KNOw, DONOT KNOW being the operative words, that they are suffering.
3)regarding reincarnation and your deathstar scenario, true life may start elsewhere, but hopefully our taking control of our own deaths, we would become evolved and have a more controlled/evolved behavior in our new incarnations, whether in the temporal/spacial plane of existance, or any other.
4)regardding the begging for my life, I assure you, Im not that attached to it with these realizations (i'll explain this privatly). There is definitly a beauty to not being afraid to die, you are not so restricted in living, and your not afraid of pretty much anything except incidental/extended periods of raw physical pain, and even that is easily detached from

peace for now

when some of yall get to reading it, ill put more, clarifying some arguments

-youknowwho

tenno
Thu Apr 3, 2003, 02:15 AM
im probably the only one who will, most people unfortunately hate reading.

i'm tired of peple 'illing' themselves

and besides you're just a butterfly dreaming this manifesto up, and I'm a dissenting thought from your id.

BTW, what have you been up to?

TheNewCollective
Thu Apr 3, 2003, 05:55 PM
dam jer whats your email the pms arent workin

tenno
Thu Apr 3, 2003, 08:21 PM
tennoah@yahoo.com

i may still have a freaking shifty virus so ignore anything silly from me =(

TheNewCollective
Wed Apr 23, 2003, 04:30 AM
it would be nice to get some other peoples opinons on this

Nikole
Wed Apr 23, 2003, 12:31 PM
in my opinion suicide is for pussies.. i don't have time to read this yet i know it already sucks. sorry mike i don't agree.

I_AM_The_Red_Dot
Sat May 3, 2003, 01:50 PM
I am sorry but my beliefs are a little squed I have been studieing religion science I was 6
and not just christion I cant stand the christion religiob ti contradits it self
but what I have studdies is telling me that if you were to kill your self you just be reborn as a nother creture wether it be a fly or a super intelgent ailien
tyhat is not the point I am getting at
all things from rocks to liven animals to the air we preath and the sun in the stars are connected down to the smallest atom
the onlw way to eliminate existance it to destroy the inuverce all the way to the subb atomic level but that is not going to happen any time soon

us on the other hand (meening all inteligent life not just human) have a majuor roll in the existance of the univerce on a cosmic level that I am not 100% ready to be aware of but what I have learned is that we (intelgent life) as a howl are the illness of the univerce slowy killing it
dont be alarmed that is our job slowly killing the univerce is its majour all things in lifr go through 3 staces life death rebirth
we as the illness are slowlykilling everything so it can be re born

now if wee all kill our selvs there would be places in the univerce where we would be reborn to continue out roll in the great cosmos

now interestingly enouph there are people who are trying to stop this ultimet destruction
lets stare with the basics
docters
scientest


now the ones you dont know about

wizards
witches
shamans
magus
ect.

I fitt in with the Magus veriety I am stoping death in all I do all i practice
to better human and non human life (this meena ailiens too)
(oddly enouph in a lamens term we pagens would be know as the white blood cells in a body)think about that for a lttle while



please dont mind the spelling and grammer those arethings that are not important to my study

TheNewCollective
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 04:03 AM
looking to score some new opinions/insight into this post of mine.....

anybody?

anyhow yeah............BIZUMP!

Joobei
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 05:24 AM
I was just browsing to these forums(havent been here in a long time) and i came accross your discussion and i found it interesting. I did not feel like reading mind you but if you can clarify or simply sumarize i can make some opinions/coments. I do not believe in god as an "entity" or a jolly old guy with a big white beard and long white hair. I belive "god" is energy/matter which everything on earth is made of and pushes us to evolve into higher states of intelligence. Since the big bang where hydrogen vibrated into another form to make hylium and that changed over to make another component, since then the universe has been alive and "evolving' we are just another stage of evolution. I would often wonder what i would be after death and my conclusion would always be that i would decompose and fade into the earth. I think that you can "tune" yourself with the earth and the universe around you and actualy feel that your a part of it. My friend had this experience happen to him before and it felt very real like it could be achievable.

PS: my spelling sucks so bare with me here.

DeeJayBlueEyes
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 12:50 PM
um this is really random but would that be Jubei from Ninja Scroll by any chance? "Joobei" ::not really shure how it's spelled::

::BlueEyes::

Joobei
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 01:46 PM
Yeah its after Jubei from Ninja Scroll. I use "Joobei" in other Forums(for a specific reason)so i'm using it here and that way i wont forget ;o). I'm actualy thinking of changing my name to 'Jubei" and buying a ninja sword.....ok i'm just kidding lol.

Betty Rage
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 06:44 PM
c)christianity serves a purpose for good people, you just can't be a great philosopher and a good christian
a follower can NEVER be a leader.

hemphog420
Tue Jul 29, 2003, 09:57 PM
If you really believed any of the stuff you are saying you would get your little cult that is a speck in the population and all kill yourselves. You are all talk. Second you said ,and it makes sense,it would only work if everyone agreed and was ok with it. That will never happen. We as humans or god or whatever you want to say are only constant is our disagreeing. Your plan will never come to be. Sorry to break it to you.
I for one enjoy the good and the bad because if there is a infinite cycle of raw/chaos and perfect energy then a good day is on the other side of every bad day eventually and it will be that much better if we had to face the bad with the good. I like change and pain and anything that lets me "know" I am alive and individual. I also will stay here if nothing else to see what happens if my lifetime. My grandmother lived to be 94 and told me how she watched us go from horse drawn carriages to watching big chunks of metal called planes that fly through the air like a bird. I will wake up even after the worst day ever to see what tomorrow brings,and I will try to learn from today,for my own education so when it is my time hopefully I can pass something on to the people left behind.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/304944/supersick1.gif

(Cassiopeia A supernova)

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Betty Rage
Wed Jul 30, 2003, 01:47 AM
get your fucking money back.
run off to another world and declare yourselves another species!
humans dont know shit!

hemphog420
Wed Jul 30, 2003, 03:06 PM
eeep

E-RocK
Wed Jul 30, 2003, 03:15 PM
the lines about dogs dont suffer struck as me particularly assinine.


agreed. Hell, everything in this post is assinine. I hate this "kool to be goth/crossdresser into murder and death, and my heart is black" shit.

Cause thats all it is. Shit. Your just trying to bring attention to yourself because no one paid any to you.

Heres a thought.. Be a man, grow the fuck up, and get out of your stupid ass sorrow, cause no one gives a shit but you.

This post upset me greatly because of all the bullshit in it. If your so fucking unhappy, YOU kill YOURSELF, quit fucking talking about it, and spare us all the whining.

hemphog420
Wed Jul 30, 2003, 03:19 PM
Amen Reverend Ziggy! lol

ZIM
Thu Jul 31, 2003, 12:06 PM
humans dont know shit!

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM! has said that for years!!![/code]

Georgie:k1212
Thu Jul 31, 2003, 06:32 PM
Suicide is the easy way out ...and i dont have time to read it either

DeeJayBlueEyes
Fri Aug 1, 2003, 01:41 PM
I get lost in the middle of reading that shit onscreen so lemme print it up and i'll hit you up with my opinion.

::BluEyes::

TheNewCollective
Sun Aug 3, 2003, 09:48 PM
If you really believed any of the stuff you are saying you would get your little cult that is a speck in the population and all kill yourselves. You are all talk. Second you said ,and it makes sense,it would only work if everyone agreed and was ok with it. That will never happen. We as humans or god or whatever you want to say are only constant is our disagreeing. Your plan will never come to be. Sorry to break it to you.
I for one enjoy the good and the bad because if there is a infinite cycle of raw/chaos and perfect energy then a good day is on the other side of every bad day eventually and it will be that much better if we had to face the bad with the good. I like change and pain and anything that lets me "know" I am alive and individual. I also will stay here if nothing else to see what happens if my lifetime. My grandmother lived to be 94 and told me how she watched us go from horse drawn carriages to watching big chunks of metal called planes that fly through the air like a bird. I will wake up even after the worst day ever to see what tomorrow brings,and I will try to learn from today,for my own education so when it is my time hopefully I can pass something on to the people left behind.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/304944/supersick1.gif

(Cassiopeia A supernova)

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Ok, Now let's Review.....EVERYONE WOULD NEED TO DIE...SO WHY A CULT? WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THAT DO TO HELP ACOMPLISH THE STATED?

Now as for the story of your grandmother.......
FUCK THAT.......DONT YOU GET IT...LOOK AROUND MAN, YOU ARE LIVING IN A DREAM...AND THIS ISNT THE MATRI and YOURE NOT NEO....THIS DREAM IS A PRISON OF YOUR OWN IMPOSITION, and its all of our dream since were all the same one person. We're here trying to figure out who we are as a grewater unified being, each of "us" or individual "souls" as the western views would have it, are all really just different personalities of this one greater being. Its not about hating myself or the world, its about accepting it for what it is......an illusion, a dream, and a method. Any moderatly eduacated nihlist will tell you that the only control one has over ones life is when the will die, and thats only if they choose to take that decision. Its an enlightened action. So what can we do to eliminate this entire universe? fuck nuclear wepons, those just add to the distraction, into thinking that life in this dream is worthy and important...more important than escaping the dream, which its not. The only thing to do is to destroy the dream.

So how do we destroy the entire universe in a matter of moments, becomes the question. Well, hopefully we wi;; one day come to a point where someone will use something to set off the dark mater in the universe, causing it to colapse upin itself, depleting any trace of the universe ever being....then we will become spiritually enlightened and be that much closer to ultimate perfection

Its bnot about hating or darkness........please! Its about not wasting time, if that even is a factor in the end that is.....

TheNewCollective
Sun Aug 3, 2003, 09:52 PM
Your plan will never come to be. Sorry to break it to you..


yeah so who needs permission from everyone, fuck it, when theres no universe to reincarnate to, at least on this level, we can move on to the ones beyond, and well, yeah theyll figure out whathappened somewhere along the lines, and besides, they are really one, so they know anyway, its jsut a matter of slightly confused personalities

TheNewCollective
Sun Aug 3, 2003, 10:06 PM
the lines about dogs dont suffer struck as me particularly assinine.


agreed. Hell, everything in this post is assinine. I hate this "kool to be goth/crossdresser into murder and death, and my heart is black" shit.

Cause thats all it is. Shit. Your just trying to bring attention to yourself because no one paid any to you.

Heres a thought.. Be a man, grow the fuck up, and get out of your stupid ass sorrow, cause no one gives a shit but you.

This post upset me greatly because of all the bullshit in it. If your so fucking unhappy, YOU kill YOURSELF, quit fucking talking about it, and spare us all the whining.

1) Dogs suffer, they simply DONT KNOW THEY ARE SUFFERING, get it right

2)goth crossdresser? WHat the fuck? try educated prep/philosophy major who spends free time figuring out the purpose of the universe, because it sure as shit isnt blue light kmart specials martha stewart TV and smoking pot. there is a purpose to all this illusion, but its not to remain in the illusion. All illusions have purposes. I believe Ive cracked this one. And as far as well what makes these lives illusions? Well what else could sustain the universe, but a form of mind, we are but a thought, and if that thought were to cease, the univerese would cease to be.

This isnt gothic, this is likleyhood

3)my heart is definitly not black, in fact its all light my friend, I wouldnt feel so strongly or make such a durastic hypothisis regarding the end to all of the universe were it not neccessary, I love women, summer nights, and music......god do i love music, but its all pointless....and Ive come to accept it, I mean its not, but how long can it serve its purpose for? Weve become to distracted with the distractions to focus on the mission, realization of self, not as individuals but as a single entity. we are all god, and we are all one. to quote the overquoted beatles "I am he as you are me as you are we and we are all together" They were saying it right there man. Unity

4)Bringing attention, maybe youre not aware, but I have more than enough of peoples attention around here and frankly I hate it. Id like myu houghts to be heard but this place has wayyyyy too much attention to my faults, so dont give me shit about wanting attention.. I dont, I want to educate and broadcast the true reality

5)be a man nobody cares............sorry to inform you, but theres about 3/4 of a billion hindus in india who are well aware of the illusion, or maya if you will, they are simpoly more patient than a western hindu for releae from samsara

so theres my rebuttelks, now if we can have some CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS that would be great to o so yeah thanks and adios

Heavens Revenge
Sun Aug 3, 2003, 10:18 PM
theres about 3/4 of a billion hindus in india who are well aware of the illusion, or maya if you will, they are simpoly more patient than a western hindu for releae from samsara
What if there are souls that simply aren't ready for samsara?
patience is a virtue for the hindus in india, maybe they know that such an abrupt release of souls would cause chaos in samsara :-P
who's to say any of that is real even?
my options are open to any form of religion if i can be proven with solid evidence for the existance of each. its the same way for many people but they are less willing to hear rantings and are quick to label someone with different/outlandish beliefs as a loon.
/shrug

4)Bringing attention, maybe youre not aware, but I have more than enough of peoples attention around here and frankly I hate it. Id like myu houghts to be heard but this place has wayyyyy too much attention to my faults, so dont give me shit about wanting attention.. I dont, I want to educate and broadcast the true reality
For someone that is 'well educated', you should know why you recieve a lot of attention, and you should know the steps to remove attention from yourself.

Dogs suffer, they simply DONT KNOW THEY ARE SUFFERING, get it right
just because they don't have a technical term to call suffering doesn't mean they don't know that they suffer...
my brothers dog was mistreated for years. what was once a jovial little cocker spaniel is now a miserable mutt. he knows he suffers, he feels his suffering, and most of all you can see the suffering in the poor dogs eyes.

HotAzzBiatch21
Mon Aug 4, 2003, 06:46 AM
I am sorry but I 100% do not agree with this topic at all. I was scimming over this novel u posted Mike and its all garbage and to me it sounds like your crying out for help. God didn't bring us onto this earth to suffer but to contribute something to either someone else, or something in this world. So are you saying that if your g/f or mother commited suicide tomorrrow and left u with no clue why you would think she was suffering or whatever why it was the right thing to do? The most closest person in my life commited suicide and if ur trying to make anyone on here feel good about ur opinion or give us a logical explanatron well ur wrong. Suidide is wrong no matter how u view it. Only thing ur getting across to me by reading this is your asking for help and if you want I can call Monta Vista for you and get get u commited so u get that help.

acidforblood303
Mon Aug 4, 2003, 12:21 PM
I have ADD so I can use that as an excuse not to pay attention to these super long posts I think if you made a separate post for every paragraph it would be easier to read what all your saying cause looking at all those words gives me a headache =D

Heavens Revenge
Mon Aug 4, 2003, 02:03 PM
God didn't bring us onto this earth to suffer but to contribute something to either someone else, or something in this world.
HotAzzBiatch21, take into consideration that Mike doesn't believe in God. Gods legacy is unknown to him. Do not read this topic with a mind that is centered in those beliefs, and if your mind is in that mind-set, then go ahead and break it then re-read.

Furthermore, don't take this topic litterally... its philosophy for a reason :-P

wtlsar
Mon Aug 4, 2003, 02:46 PM
If everyone should commit suicide, then why don't you go first? Lead by example!

TheNewCollective
Mon Aug 4, 2003, 10:44 PM
1) I very much so believe in a god, just maybe not in the conventional christian and western terms...
mine is more eastern in origin, but basically, GOD as He/She is, can be called, THE GREATER AWARENESS
We all ARE this Greater AWARENESS, just manifestations of its personalities. Life is sort of like that movie Identity, where the main character is fighting in itself to manifest its one original personality. Here however, in real life, these personalities (us) are working to return to the greater one, or, GOD, which is all of awareness. You have to understand the hypothisis of reality I have though, which is that this world. the entire universe, is sustained by thought, and that all it needs is one strong thought to cause this thought to move on into a closer state of quiet being and peacefull mind.

2)Bizatch, Im not cryint out for help, when i say suicide, I actually mean that everyone and thing needs to be destroyed simultaniously. everything in the entire universe, as Ive proppossed, when the time comes it will probbably ocur via a dark matter implosion. yeah suicides rough, but you need to DETACH. dont take your petty "my life" shit out on me, I dont care, maybe you should call monta vista for your "Problem". Or I can call for you. Keep it to true comments in here not funny har har I can make people laugh at mike ones.

So I do belive in god thank you

3)Oh and HR, living here, that is samsara. Kmart is samsara Iraq is samsara, asians and whites and blacks.....thats all samsara....the illusionary world/wheel of reincarnation. And if theyre not ready, well screw it theres really no such thing as souls, just strings of thought.

4) dogs know I like this i dont liek that, not I dont like that, it is bad.
simply, i dont like that.
they know they dont liek something, they dont know theyre suffering

Adrick
Tue Aug 5, 2003, 02:13 AM
God didn't bring us onto this earth to suffer but to contribute something to either someone else, or something in this world.
HotAzzBiatch21, take into consideration that Mike doesn't believe in God. Gods legacy is unknown to him. Do not read this topic with a mind that is centered in those beliefs, and if your mind is in that mind-set, then go ahead and break it then re-read.

Furthermore, don't take this topic litterally... its philosophy for a reason :-P


werd lori re read the topic again i know its long but just take gander at it

philosophy for reason is exactly how this post is stated

i kind of have an idea were mike is coming from

damn jew's haha j/p

JustSarah
Wed Aug 6, 2003, 01:10 PM
i read it so you know

but if were all a image or theres no reason for us to live and we all commited suicide wouldnt god create another group of us and tell us its bad dont do this

another thought we commit suicide then what ??
no to mention half of us would be murders do to i cant see a 5 year slit there wrist because mommy said so and i dont see 90 year olds who are on life support pulling there own plug

ok and we have fucked up the envioroment so that animals are screwed and it would turn into survival of the fittest/smartest so after animals die off ---stay with me here--- i do belive that fish and ocean living animals would survive and i dont know who believes in evolution (but its a interesting theory that we evoled from something and werent just placed here) but so hat happens when a fish learns how to breath and then grows walking fins then stands up etc etc etc thus in a way become human and even though hella different theres another form of humans just like us to suffer
even though this may be hundred of thousands of years time there will be a human form here again think water world the fish man that was kevin costner

just a thought --evolution its possible fish could be living in our houses watching are tvs lol

sarah